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- BSome disagree with this:bluelion2019-01-30 08:32:10.281Z
I am writing here my thoughts, as i wrote in reddit:
I read several times that the breakup was a "selfish" and "cruel" thing Rui did to Natsuo because of "her being insecure" and that demonstrates how unfit Rui is as a partner to Natsuo.
I think exactly the opposite. Why?
First of all, as we see in chapter 217, Natsuo realizes that he has to change his ways. And why did he realize? Exactly because of the breakup and the way Rui speaks to him. If she was nicer to him, if she did not set a line, he had continued to stay inactive and lying to himself. So she knew what to do. And why did she know? Because she has a dream, like Natsuo, and when she cut herself and lost temporarily her ability to cook, she felt empty and useless as Natsuo feels now. But in that case the impairment was physical and could be simply healed with time, in this case is psychological and cannot be healed by other one than Natsuo. Rui is the only person in this moment that completely understands Natsuo's feelings. In chapter 217, Hina says to Natsuo "it must be hard for you", she is imagining how he feels. Rui KNOWS how he feels. So what she does, while appearing cruel and heartless, is exaclty the opposite, it's like the scolding of a mother to a child not behaving well. And nobody seems to think how cruel to herself that is. She is casting away her feelings for Natsuo to return to the right path, she's taking all the blame for the breakup decision, she's going away from home to work in a foreign land alone, with not even the consolation to find her loved one waiting for her when she's back. How hard is this on herself? Let me say, it's very, very, very hard, especially because even if she casted her feelings aside, she did not give up them (the neclace symbolizes her love for Natsuo being still intact).
Another thing is that not only Natsuo has issues. She also has to wotk on herself. But let me say, with this decision alone Rui demonstrated she is matured a lot. Why?
Because by letting him free, she is practically saying "I am no more possessive nor obsessive, Natsuo can choose freely for himself". And she's fully prepared to the consequences. She is no more running from Natsuo when something goes wrong, she takes the decision to breakup and don't leave him a letter, or does not tell him when she's far away. Instead, she endures the whole departure, which is extremely painful for her too, looking at Natsuo face to face.
With chapter 216, IMHO Rui practically completed her growth as a person.
In chapter 217, we see the foundation for a new arc, surely the arc where Natsuo works hard to be back on his foot with Hina supporting him. And probably romance will start again, because Hina still loves him and he has both some irresolved feelings for her and the need to be supported. Let's see how this will evolve, because it's clear that when Rui's back there will be the "final decision" by Natsuo between the two sisters and to say it plainly Hina is still quite an underdeveloped character (even if she's a very good natured person and a cheerful one, she's still childish, she's not aware of her value as a person, she has no dream, she's indecisive, she lacks courage and she often takes decisions like she's living in a fairytale) personality-wise she moved very little from what we see in the early chapters or even in some areas she even took a step backward, so it will be a bit unfair to Rui if we see an Hina ending with the situation as it is. Of course, in love it is not true that the one that did the most for his love wins, but...
In any case, both Natsuo and especially Hina must grow a lot to have a reasonable outcome.
WOW.Thanks for this review.I'm glad that someone understand the situation between Rui & Natsuo.
I also posted the similar explanation like u in reddit.
Well,In my opinion,Rui's decision is pretty mature.When Natsuo tell rui that he can't write & he can't live without rui bcz he lost his writing spirit,the first time i felt how natsuo became such shit.I means he is not same natsuo,the one who encourage to rui to go to overseas & tell her that her doing hard work also be a encoragement for natsuo himself.Now,he loses his purpose & now will depend on rui for rest of his life which rui will became burden & rui can't let him happen cause it is just the opposite of natsuo's nature.So,she done what she can,in order to bring him the right path.
When Natsuo breakup with hina,the despair & pain he felts make him the famous writer & gets him to win the award.The same thing is happening with rui breaking up with natsuo,with this our natsuo will be back with a great writer personality.
You have presented the whole picture behind Rui's decision. It was indeed a decision to let her grow. It is ridiculous how people can call Rui selfish after reading Chapter 216.
It reminded me of ichigo 100 :))) breakup to achieve the best despite of the risk that tsukasa find another guys :)))). He must realizes if he was orphange and there was no girls beside him, its only just him who break his writing's block
Glad to find someone who read Ichigo 100%, it was my first ever encounter with romance manga :D
When rui cut her hand, she lean on natsuo (eventhough she didn ask him ti support her or tell him anything). People were angry with her being stubborn. Now she left him for both of them, she's being anti more and more :))) really dunno what she should do for the right :))))
In that case the problem was physical and it has healed simply over time. She had the fear to not being anymore able to cook if she cut her nerves or tendons. Psychological issues are much more tricky. Luckily he has realized soon that he indeed has a problem. After chapter 216 I had the fear he needed more time to realize or resented her, which at the moment seems avoided.
- BakaData2019-01-30 10:07:24.814Z
Great comment as usual. I enjoy reading your thoughts :)
@bluelion You seem to know a lot about Domestic Girlfriend so I must ask you this.
I cannot read Kanji so I only read english translated manga, could you tell me when the english translated chapter come out? Is there some sort of scheduel?
I first knew this Manga through the anime, after watching the first three episodes I simply wanted to know more, and I couldn't wait another week, so It was the first time I actually read a "full" (until now) manga, I had my first attempt with "Air Gear" but I was used to the anime and the manga was too different story wise,
To me Rui is the one that he will choose in the end, not only because she was always there for him, but because she actually makes him feel better, and like Natsuo says, he always makes her cry, which I think will ultimatly want him to make it up to her, meanwhile i do think she will hve an afair with her co-workerm which I think is absolutly unnecessary for the manga. She will probably regret it too.
I still hope Natsuo has an afair with Hina though, because I still think that she will actually learn a lot from him, and vice-versa.
However, I WISH he could be with both, because in the end he needs them both. Will honestly break my heart to read the decision chapter, which again, I belive will be in Rui's favor,
I don't know how the manga will end, only Mrs. Kei Sasuga knows :-)
Anyway, I read the english scans on Cruchyroll but there are other sites where it's up to chapter 216. If you look at the reddid section you will find links there.
@bluelion ty so much, so I conclude however that you don't know exactly when the chapters come out in english?
Agreed as always. Natsuo will need some time alone to grow and find himself, maybe a handful of arc or a time skip. If he went latching himself right away to any willing girl (even Hina), it's a major step back for the story.
All i can say is rui i a bitch from the start. Seduce the guy and leave in the end
- Mmakanzie2019-01-30 06:25:52.568Z
Now that Natsuo has confessed his true feelings about the situation, maybe he will overcome the struggles and return to a state where he can write again.
Not sure how that will exactly make him return to being able to write again. I think there's gotta be more. If that's really all he needed, he should've overcome it by now. Don't you think?
Agree. This shouldn't be enough. I mean him saying that he didn't want to disappoint people...so what?
Rui made him realize his way was wrong. But of course realizing is only the first step, now he has to struggle to be back in control of his life. Maturing is not a simple or istantaneous process, but this process cannot start if you are lying to yourself.
- Uultimateblast2019-01-30 06:28:05.917Z
Hina giving the kindness that Natsuo desired. Man, if Natsuo still continues to act like a baby beh
Showing weakness isn't acting like a baby. He's going through a lot.
Natsuo maybe desired kindness, but he did not needed kindness, he needed him to realize what was wrong in him.
And it's not Hina that made him realize that.
- blastrophe2019-01-30 00:28:07.974Z
Hina acted exactly as Natsuo had hoped Rui acted. It will be seen which one ultimately is the better for him. Probably both were needed
This will be interesting. If Hina's kindness really was what he needed then Rui's actions can be now deemed as unnecessary and as the wrong decision.
Not really. Natsuo wouldn't be confessing his feelings if Rui hadn't broken up with him. All of it was needed for him to take the first step. Although, I'm not sure if that was really first step or not.
- kraft2019-01-30 08:28:25.349Z
He also could have said that if Rui had talked to him before taking the imminent choice of breaking up. Goes both ways rly
Talking was useless. Natsuo was lying to himself, he would have continued to lie to both of them. Rui set up a line so he could not escape his responsabilities.
You really think Rui first talking to him in a sincere and serious manner wouldn't have made him talk his true feelings? That's way too conclusive.
He's not admitting things to himself, how he can be sincere with others? He could have taken the initiative, too. He didn't . He needed the "slap" of the breakup for opening up.
Sure he could've taken the initiative. I'm not saying that Rui is the only one to be blamed. She still could've talked to him first and THEN if he had still acted the same and wouldn't attempt to get out of his misery, sure Rui should have done what she did. But anything before that was premature.
We in reality don't know if they did not talk about Natsuo problems, the scene jumps directly from the sleep to the airport. It is likely that they talked about it (due to the secret being discovered finally) but it's also likely Natsuo did not show any sign of reaction. Let's be honest, he did not talk about this with his best friends (Mari, Fumiya) who are not writers but gave him always the best advices.
In any case, the author's view on the case is clear (also to have more drama because it's never enough): Natsuo is not facing his inner demons and only the breakup makes him realize he has to change.
If he did talk to Rui about it, then we would know it. There would at least a word or two implicating their discussion before skipping it. I don't necessarily disagree with that it may have been necessary for the breakup to happen. But I still can't deny that a serious discussion with Rui would've done the same effect. One doesn't need to be thrown into absolute misery to find themselves.
Yes, but this is a manga and that is the problem. In RL maybe they could have talked for a lot and solved it, or they could have talked for eternity and not solving it. Or in RL they could simply have split when Rui found he was meeting Serizawa after she said him to not meet her... Maybe Rui simply feels they are too immature to continue on that road, and if Natsuo does not solve his issue she will end up not helping him, but causing him to have even more worries. The problem is also that she is far away working for her dream, to reinforce her relationship with Natsuo she should give up her dream to be with him, but also this is wrong as if this happen and she will never have another opportunity she may start to blame him, and this will hurt them more (Also Natsuo said he could never give up his writing for anyone, as it defined his very self). The theme of "dream" is quite strong in this manga and it's one of the two "hidden messages" that seems to be the backbone of the storyline. That is, Rui's father (It's also Hina's but in that moment Hina is out of the scene) says to Natsuo that true happiness can only be achieved when you will fulfill your dreams. While the other message is that to become a "true couple" two lovers' love must endure through all the hurdles of life.
Is Natsuo's problem that big that he needs a breakup to occur to resolve it? Is it really THAT serious? 🤔
Breaking up doesn means rui abandoned him, i think she want natsuo to be released. Because their relationship cant bring peace for him
I'm not denying that. My point is more that people make it seem like that Natsuo's issues are way bigger than they actually are.
Hummm. Maybe its really serious. Its may last forever and he become useless.. ( for example: an architect lost his ability to imagine, a cook lost ability to taste, a singer lost her voice...) I think natsuo's problem came from stress. He had been working hard for a year and the results make him disappointed while others ( hana senpai, 15-year old student) won many awards... Future, money, pride, rui, family's hope... these kind of thing make he exhausted lead to kind of mental illness :(((
- In reply tozebrat19⬆:
Yes, it is so great. The problem is that he being a writer for him is not only a job, it is his dream and what defines his very self (like the cooking is for Rui). That meaning, losing the ability to write for Natsuo means he is losing himself. And you can see it especially in chapters 213-214, he is depressed, angry withour reason, untrustful, unreasonable. For Rui is not a problem per se if he does not write anymore, she loves Natsuo for being simply Natsuo, but Natsuo does not love himself anymore and she knows how important is to write for him. And Natsuo with his behavior (not relying on her, lying to her, fighting with her) made Rui feel like she's more an obstacle to his dream. And she wants him to be happy, fulfilling his dream.
So on one side she "frees" Natsuo from the limits he put on himself because theire relationship.
On the other side, she makes him realize he's the only one that can solve his inner issues.
That's the whole point of this breakup. She did that not for herself. The breakup is probably even more painful on Rui's side.
But she had to do to make him happy, even at the cost to be not together anymore.
- Xxxxntrat2019-01-30 06:41:44.645Z
Your time is now Hina. Give Natsuo what Rui chan coudln't give him 🤭
lol both of them already gave it to him..... after that they're all broken up with him... poor for him
- Zzebrat192019-02-01 01:50:37.988Z
Weird to me that Hina didn't realize that they broke up or that Rui wouldn't tell her anything. Also hoping that the journey of Natsuo recovering won't take that long. Wonder if something will develop between Rui and Kajita? I think his name was.