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- MMrF0x2019-02-13 17:54:54.229Z
Well as series are near the end(Author mentioned it will end before Vol 30) I think it's safe to bet either Hina or Rui ending as there isn't enough time to develop new love interest. Misaki probably will help him to start writing again- like he will help her and he will realize how much worse her situation is/was and she is still going.
I would guess from recent foreshadowing that ending will be Natsuo x Hina after all. Like all the "fate"(also this Rui new work friend) talk in hospital and considering they both still love each other and are ready to sacrifice own life for each other(Natsuo getting stab and Hina being just as support for him). Maybe she will finally confess not drunk or he will spot those old rings in her handbag or something.
Anyway both ending will be fine- I just hope author won't do another Natsuo to Hina to Rui(or reverse) jumping before the end and will focus more on support cast, especially Al, Reiji Kiriya and Fumiya as they should be most fun now.
- Bbluelion2019-02-12 17:01:20.824Z
As I suspected, this girl will have the same role as Mei in GE, only much "darker".
That is, for Natsuo realizing Rui's reasons for the breakup (part of them at least).
My guess (but this is a fundamental part of the plot so I foresee it, I only did not expect a new girl for this role) is that she was subject to abuse from his ex. Maybe she will tell him her story that (this is also a guess but let's bet how much I will fall off mark) will be something along the line of a normal love story starting lovey dovey but later maybe he lost his job and lost his self confidence and thus the relationship went downhill really fast. She maybe did not want to leave him but he become angrier and angrier, becoming violent and it ended with him disfiguring her (hot water? Acid? ). Natsuo maybe will find some similarities to his story, realizing how angry he become after losing his ability to write...
It's a big guess, but let's see how much it will fall off the mark.
I agreed.I hope Misaki & her story will work as a catalyst to make him able to realise the real reason of rui's breakup with him & make him able to write with new experiences he felt after a long chat with misaki.This is going to be interesting as we will able to see natsuo rise to a new level writer in future.
Don't think Natsuo will find similarities. His anger is warranted and understandable and controlled. But that boyfriend's anger, if true, is downright a felony. There's nothing comparable imo
Not saying they are comparable. But he could see (part of) Rui's reasons, by learning that if a relationship is strained too much it can lead to actual hate.
- smashhbro2019-02-13 09:01:39.945Z
Why does Misaki even care so much about Natsuo? Is she just looking for comfort or for someone she can relate to? It's pretty weird and a bit forced.
She really does not care about Natsuo (not in the sense of love). She relates to him because she thinks he's as desperate as her and thus she feels a sense of "camaraderie", she thinks they are equals and being desperate she thinks she could seek comfort in a person that has her same feelings.
Assuming that there indeed will be a similar ending to GE, would be OK with that? Wouldn't that be rather lame that the author tries to do things in similar ways? I liked GE more but hope it will be different.
We don't really know if the end will be similar. There are similarities indeed, but this is normal as the author is the same and let's be honest most romance/drama manga follow a similar logic. Now the author can and may pull out something out of the line, and I see nothing wrong with it if it can be justified logically and narratively. If instead she pushs out something not only forced from the logical point of view, but outside the very core of the narrative as we saw up to now (the importance of the dreams as identity, true happiness can be found only advancing with your feets toward your objective, the importance for a couple to walk side to side as equals, true couples are forged through the adversities) then I will feel this manga as being irrimediably ruined.
After rereading the chapter I come out with a slightly different theory about Misaki: It Is hinted she also had a dream (modeling?actress?) and the scar Is probably not responsability of her boyfriend, but from an accident. But the accident killed her dream and she became bitter and bitter, straining the relationship with her boyfriend until they broke up. In this Regards, they will be really equal, except that Rui stopped it before they hated each other while in Misaki case this did not happen.
I was wondering about the dream part as well. Although I didn't correlate the scar with her dream. You may be right. Maybe the boyfriend thing isn't that big of a deal.
From early spoilers (discord) about chapter 220 this theory is the right one (not sure yet about the "strained relationship part" but it's likely we'll have more detail in next chapters (possibly the whole arc is 7-10 chapters, and this will likely lead to the arc about how Natsuo will regain his writing ability). She was a model and the scar was not from her boyfriend but the result of jealous colleagues. So she had to leave her modeling work. I will not say more because these are only early spoilers.
- Uultimateblast2019-02-13 07:32:39.407Z
So all of his friends don't quite challenge him to confront the issue but that new random girl makes him challenge it. Not that it's bad but would rather have liked other people do that to him.
At the moment the only persons that could truly understand Natsuo are Rui (who has a similar dream as him) and people that are in a similar situation as him (like maybe Misaki is). This can be seen also in chapter 217, where Hina (who is anyway one of the people closest to him) says to him, regarding the loss of writing (and the breakup) "it must be hurting". She guessed how he feels, but she did not understand how he feels.
Good point. I guess yes Misaki is the only person that can relate to him and challenge him to a deeper level since she's going through something similar. But even then, his friends are not entirely oblivious, but they don't seem to really try to help him out of that hole. There are some attempts, but none of that seem to be really serious. It does make sense from a story telling point of view that a new character that can relate to him is the problem solver device, but still, would've liked to see more from other characters as well.
I can make a joke here and say that Rui was unique in her attempts to bring Natsuo out of his depression after Hina's breakup, but I would upset Hina's fans. This is anyway a good point (up to now), we really only saw Fumiya going to him twice. Let's see how it develops. Anyway, Misaki will not solve anything, she will be only the trigger for Natsuo to see things from a different point of view. He is the only one that can solve his issues.
True. But I'm curious how exactly things will be solved. I guess it's like the yips in sport and overcoming something like that isn't really that simple. So I'm curious how the author will deal with that.
Yes, it will not be simple, that would be only the first (second? In 217 Natsuo already told he has to change but he did not change yet) step in the right direction. Also I don't think he will grasp yet which the true intention of Rui (that is, to push him to write again) with this, Misaki is too desperate and probably angry with his ex to speculate about someone else's ex-lover.
I just realized something about chapter 215, however, The panels that Rui remembers when she is thinking about the decision to break up are the ones where he professed his love to her and the intention to stay together forever. And she thinks "of course... Natsuo.. I..".
This could be coupling with the "I believe in you" that is said at the end of the chapter 216. Read together they may mean she is breaking up now because it's the better thing for Natsuo for being back on the right road, but at the same time she's trusting their bond to last even after this separation.
I wonder how the story will progress after that. Will it be like that Natsuo will have love interest towards Hina again and then making up with Rui...? The story is getting pretty close to its ending.
I think this part will focus on Natsuo realizing his mistakes and slowly regaining his ability to write. Then he shoud proceed to write something new. At the moment he is not loving himself, so he cannot even love someone else. Only after he regains self confidence he can start loving again. Who will be? A big question about the future will be if and how he will truly understand what Rui did for him by breaking up, because a natural feeling that could come is to resent her for breaking up. This would not happen if he truly understand she did the right thing, but, even it he understands, there are also still 5-5,5 more months until she comes back from US. And it is not easy for someone who broke up to "restart" as nothing happened. In the meanwhile, we should have also the closing of Serizawa arc and the evolution of the Rui dream as a chef, with the colleagues that are jealous of her and Tokiya's status as MVP.
About Hina... she makes me wonder. When she broke up with Natsuo, Rui was everyday with him trying to cheer him up. We did not see yet a similar commitment from Hina, and she is anyway working really near Natsuo's place. Maybe we will see something after Misaki's arc. Also, as I told before, she does not understand how the "loss" of writing really affected Natsuo, as she has no such a strong dream. And even about "being a good sister"... hmmm... I expect to see something more from her. I think it's clear that Hina's "good sister" act is not really true, it's a facade she had put on to justify her to be near Natsuo without the fear to be rejected, but we saw in different times that her true feelings are another thing (Like when she prays with Natsuo at the shrine but also when she's excited to go to the play with him). Was she really committed to Natsuo's and Rui's happiness? I don't think so. In fact, when witnessing the Serizawa accident, she does nothing. A good sister (worried for Rui's sake) would have asked Natsuo what was really going on. She does literally nothing. Also, you know your sister broke up with his boyfriend. If you care for your sister, you should at least call her and speak about it, about how she is feeling now (Rui wanted to search for Hina in the case of her breakup, for Natsuo's sake but also to know how she felt). We did not see this, yet. So all it's hinting that she will make a move sooner or later. Will be it the "final" move? I don't know. I don't want to place my bet on endings.
I would say that Hina is probably first person outside of his writers friends who understands his pain. You need to remember that she was first person to know about his writing and Natsuo shared his work with her first and it's quite important. Also she was ready to give up on her dream(teaching) so he just could chase his dream.
About Rui and Hina relations I would say it's more of manga problem. Same was for Rui when she learned Hina location and after Natsuo told her he wasn't ready to see her topic was just drop(no info if they had chance to speak) or when they sold his book by stabbing accident. Author very rarely shows action outside Natsuo box, especially when he isn't main focus or when character his somewhat outside/faraway. I guess we need to acknowledge some talks just taking place outside of shown material.
As for end it's still open(would say 50-50) and as I mentioned in my comment I somewhat think it will be Hina- for me they are both broken and can't sort they feelings(rest points in my comment). We probably will get some bigger hints after this arch, as it will probably focus on his writing for most part.
I just hope it won't be some "miracle" ending like he rejects everything, goes with Al to find his love in USA and somehow end up's in New York and confess to Rui or something like that.
No, I don't think Hina undestands, she has not a dream so strong that she can feel the emptiness of Natsuo. Her teaching was not really a "dream", not in the sense Natsuo and Rui give to their dream (something that define their very identity). Otherwise, she would not have given it so easily (and that was her decision, not a consequence of what she did). She simply gave up because he felt unfit to teach, changed careers, and that's it. Nothing to do with the devastation we see on Natsuo or the reaction Rui had when she cut herself. This is a very important difference. Also, she only knows that Natsuo dreams to write, but she does not know WHY he has such a dream and what are the reasons for him. Rui knows, instead. Speaking of what, she just break up with him to make so he restarts to write, that is, saving his dream. And not being forced to do so, but choosing to do it because she knows without writing he will never be happy. Again, a subtle but very important difference.
For me, if we have to take in account the narrative, the "screen time", the fact that ALL the "hidden main themes" of the manga were developed/talked when Natsuo is with Rui, and other things, I'd say the ending should be obvious. Also because, in the state as she is, and with the personality she has, Hina is the worst possible matchup for Natsuo (and if someone thinks their 3 months relationship was healthy, I'd have to strongly disagree). To have a credible (not extremely forced) ending on her side that ignores all the meta-narration we have seen up to now, she MUST have a strong character development, and with the author saying the manga will not reach 30 volumes (we are at 23 currently) and with so many open points to resolve, I don't see where is the space to have such a thing. But, as I said, I would not bet on anything because the author is free to do everything she wants, even throwing all the remaining coherency and sense in the garbage bin.
What mistakes exactly? I don't think anything Natsuo has done is really a mistake. He's just experiencing life and going through tough times. He's just at a phase where he has to deal with his slump and overcome to become 'better'.
Trust issues, bottling all to himself, hiding things to his GF and to his family and friends (and not for not worrying them, but for fear they could have been disappointed on him), giving up his dream, not really thinking seriously about his future, these are examples of his mistakes. To be better he has to become a man that avoids that sort of things in the future.
- smashhbro2019-02-13 09:00:47.280Z
Y'all have made up your point that Misaki will be the one to ultimately recover from his struggles. But I think she's merely the trigger, and at the end, he will have a serious discussion with his closer friends and that will be the final step for him to recover.
No, indeed she will be only the trigger to make him realize Rui was not wrong in breaking up at that time (or at least he will see the reasons) and thus he will start his growth to be a "real man", but that will be a task for him alone.
- smashhbro2019-02-13 11:38:55.079Z
She's the first one to have really brought up his misery now so yeah she will help him out. But feel like it's still someone else that will give him the final push. Probably Hina or Miyabi.
- HSome disagree with this:hanafubuki2019-02-13 17:32:23.597Z
As Natsuo looks depressed since they met, Misaki asks, “Did a girl possibly…break up with you?” >> Hmm this part, I think the way she said it is more like, "Did you just get dumped by a girl?" It's just my two cents though :) Thanks for the summary as always!
Then when Misaki said there's no hope in Natsuo's eyes, at first I thought it's hopelessness, but if I think deeper, it felt more like... he looked empty or apathetic. Anyway, I felt sorry for her after seeing her scar. When she said that she and Natsuo are similar after seeing the manuscript and fountain pen, I actually thought she was an author too ^^; I guess that wasn't the case.
What's the difference lol sounds like a matter of semantics really.
They're similar in confronting hopelessness by having lost their dream.
Being dumped is more painful than just simply being asked to break up. It's not what really happened, but just how Misaki's phrasing made it sound.
I agree on the latter part. I hope she can help Natsuo write again.
It wasn't phrased as being "asked" to break up. You are now changing the context. A girl breaking up with you and being dumped is the same shit. There's no such thing as more pain associated over the other.
It's not what really happened
What? You're crazy man. Seems like you just want to pick on the admin. If the phrase was, "Did your gf ask to break up with u" then yeah that would be different, but what your saying is exactly about semantics. Translators have their different style obviously. Especially with a language as different as Japanese and English, there are creative translations required. So what you're saying is idiotic.
Lol I think you're just being plain rude. This is a discussion thread. We can talk without stepping on each other's toes. In fact, while I'm writing this reply, there's a sticky note above the reply box that says, "Be kind to the others. Criticism is welcome — and criticize ideas, not people." Probably you should read that before saying that I want to pick on the admin and all that. That was completely not my intention. I was pointing out at the translation itself, not the person. Why would I want to target the admin anyway? He's done nothing wrong. FYI, he isn't entirely correct all the time, there was a time where I pointed out this sort of thing and he accepted it with an open mind so I don't know why you should be upset. If anyone were to be upset, it should be the admin.
Anyway, I've been through both and I can read Japanese, so I know how it was phrased. Maybe I wrote it wrongly, it wasn't supposed to be "asked." But the 2 phrases have different meaning to me. The Japanese words said "Did a girl leave you?" Because there was 捨てる, which means 'to throw away/cast aside/dump/abandon', 'dump' sounded stronger in this case rather than simply 'break up.' The difference is in the feelings associated with the action.
In any case, if you can think with a rational mind, no idea is idiotic. You can have view an idea in many ways and there can be more than one opinion. Same goes with translation, especially if it's done from one language to another, unless you're a native speaker of the language being translated (of course, I don't know if the admin is a native speaker or not). This will be my last time replying to you because if you're going to be rude, then you're not worth my time. If you don't understand what I said, it's fine. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Thanks.
I know enough Japanese to know that it is a matter of semantics. What difference does your point make to the story? None. If it was about Rui asking him to break up, then yes, it's different since those are different meanings. But what admin and you said is differently phrased and have no different meanings. That's why it's dumb as hell for you to nitpick. Translations are a creative work so differences are obvious. So the fact that you took your time to make a comment just to nitpick on that didn't sit well with me. Again, it makes NO difference. And looking at your profile, you aren't even making comments outside of comments like the one you did. So, yeah you are just nitpicking his/her translation which is dumb as hell for a free work.